Descendants of Jean de Gruchy and Elizabeth Luce

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Descendants of Jean de Gruchy


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Thomas de Gruchy (1778-1846) shown holding the silver sugar sifter,
bearing on the lid the arms of Marshal de Grouchy, who had presented it to him
in recognition of kinship, on his first visit to Jersey in 1836 [1]


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Believed to be Esther de Gruchy (1778-1869), servant and companion
in 1841 to her second cousin, Thomas de Gruchy, above

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  • 1 Jean de Gruchy (1719-1791) [2] m (1745, St J) Elizabeth Luce
    • 2 Jean de Gruchy (1748-1793) [3] m (1774, St H) Jeanne Thacker
      • 3 Jean de Gruchy (1775-1854) [4] (1854) m (1798, St S) Marie Ahier
        • 4 Marie Jeanne de Gruchy (1800-1851) m (1823, St H) George Marett (1800-1878)
        • 4 Jeanne de Gruchy (1802-liv 1851</ref>
        • 4 Francoise de Gruchy (1805-1808)
        • 4 Anne de Gruchy (1807- )
        • 4 Betsey de Gruchy (1809-1857) m (1835,St H) Henry Ireland
      • 3 Jeanne de Gruchy (1776-1845)
      • 3 William de Gruchy (1781-1781)
      • 3 William de Gruchy (1783-1834) [5] m (1810, St H) Jeanne Ahier
        • 4 William de Gruchy (1811-1838)
        • 4 Jean de Gruchy (1813-1875) m (1840) Jane Mary Kerby daughter of Francis [6]
        • 4 Philippe de Gruchy (1816-1859) [7] m (1842, St H) Mary Touzel ( -1891)
          • 5 Philip Touzel de Gruchy (1843-1868) [8]
          • 5 Mary de Gruchy (1844- ) m (1870, St S) John Gavey, [9]
          • 5 Albina de Gruchy (1850-1920)
          • 5 Walter de Gruchy (1854-1870) [10]
          • 5 Ernest de Gruchy (1856-1904) [11]
          • 5 Alfred de Gruchy (1858-1942) [12]
        • 4 Thomas de Gruchy (1818-1864)
        • 4 Jane de Gruchy (1821-1867) m (1842) Edouard Bisson, [13]
        • 4 Elizabeth Rachel de Gruchy (1824-1842)
        • 4 Samuel de Gruchy (1826- ) [14]
        • 4 Ann de Gruchy (1829- )
    • 2 Thomas de Gruchy (1750-1788) (St H) m (1777, St H) Susanne Charpentier
      • 3 Thomas de Gruchy (1778-1846) [15]
      • 3 Susanne de Gruchy (1781- )
      • 3 Elizabeth de Gruchy (1783-1846) m (1809, St H) Nicolas Le Gallais (1783- ) (St H)
      • 3 Jean de Gruchy (1784-1841)
      • 3 George de Gruchy (1787-1787)
    • 2 Francoise Marie de Gruchy (1755-1825)
    • 2 Elizabeth de Gruchy ( -1816)
    • 2 Philippe de Gruchy (1759-1793) m (1785, St H) Esther Le Masurier
      • 3 Philippe de Gruchy (1786-1787)
      • 3 Esther Elizabeth de Gruchy (1789- ) m Jean Picot
      • 3 Elizabeth Francoise de Gruchy (1790-1791)

Notes and references

  1. In a docket of letters regarding his de Gruchy forbears, in the possession of the late Tim Voisin, was the following. Maggie Gruchy, née Gaudin, wife of Walter Collis Gruchy, wrote in 1950 to her 1st cousin Louisa Ogier, wife of Colonel Voisin, "John [de Gruchy Gaudin] has in his possession, besides a portrait, a notebook with a calendar of 1843, inserted a gold pencil, presented to Thomas [de Gruchy, of whom they were then writing], with the arms of the Marshal worked on the cover and a seal with coat of arms...I think I saw them as a child when "Cousin Lizzie" [Elizabeth de Gruchy, wife of John Gaudin and mother of John de Gruchy Gaudin] was showing them to my father." Attached is a handwritten genealogy of some of those concerned and a typed summary of items received by Thomas de Gruchy from Marshal de Grouchy. The list is as above, but omits the seal with coat of arms. There is, though, in the list the comment "The Marshal`s arms are also on a silver sugar sifter." Thomas de Gruchy is shown above, holding this
  2. Wool merchant, St John
  3. Wool merchant
  4. Of 1 La Motte Street, St Helier
  5. Builder
  6. Bankrupt by 1865, then schoolmaster in Warminster, Wiltshire. He and his wife died without issue
  7. Of 3 Morier Lane, master baker and co-owner of the cutter Peirson
  8. OV, 1852
  9. Kt; C Eng, UK Superintendent of Telegraphs
  10. OV, 1865-1870
  11. OV
  12. OV; latterly of 12 Victoria Crescent, St Helier
  13. Master mariner
  14. Mariner, 1845
  15. Renowned silversmith and clockmaker. In the 1841 St Helier census, there was recorded living with him, his cousin Esther de Gruchy (1778-1869), described as a servant. She was believed to have been his housekeeper and companion. The principal heir of Thomas was his nephew, the silversmith Jean Le Gallais. The latter`s descendant in a female line, Patrick Carter, has to this day in Canada, the two matching portraits, which have been stated for more than a century and a half to be those of Thomas de Gruchy "and his wife". It was frequently the custom to portray a sitter holding an object denoting their occupation or with some prized possession - in this instance it was an engraved silver sugar sifter. The engraving, held so as to face the viewer of the portrait, depicted the arms of Marshal de Grouchy, who had recognised Thomas de Gruchy in 1836 as being one of the three Island representatives of his own Norman family. The identity of de Gruchy was never in doubt, and went unchallenged. However, he never married, which has caused confusion. Nevertheless, the accompanying portrait of the supposed wife will logically have been that of Esther de Gruchy, his cousin and companion. Glenys Lawrence of New Zealand, a Le Bailly and Le Vasvasseur dit Durell descendant, after corresponding with Thomas de Gruchy`s eventual heir, through the Le Gallais and Roy families, wrote in the 1990s, that the portrait of the man was dated, upon close inspection, 1844. That of the woman, now believed to be of Esther de Gruchy, was dated 1848. Both were by an artist named "C.S. Le Bailly", who is yet to be identified: see also Descendants of Jean Le Gallais and Francoise Boivin
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